Craps Triple Lux

 
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Mar 30, 2020 How to win $500 Craps Betting Strategy is a strategy from David at Casino Quest. This strategy is called the triple lux. It is more of a betting strategy than a playing strategy. You can play any place bet strategy you are comfortable with from across all the numbers or just inside numbers, and placing the point number is optional. I went with a modified triple lux where I only went inside numbers and mostly 6/8. I power pressed to 36 upon hitting 6/8, pressed to 25 on 5/9. I got up to 156 on 8 once and got to 78 multiple times with 6/8. Overall it was pretty fun and the dealers were rooting for me. My only regret is not being more aggressive. If I had truly stuck with the triple lux all the way through I could have cashed out 50k easily. The table was cold for the previous hour so I was just happy to collect on a $120 6 for a bit. I could have had the 6 at $3600 as well if I had went for the jugular.

I'm sure it's been discussed before but I'm always curious to know, so let's refresh the memory.
I have a few press systems, depending on how hot/cold the table is. Anybody do anything similar, or have any critiques/advice?
Assuming this is a $10 game... anything in parentheses is a RUNNING TOTAL of what you've gotten back in profit, NOT including the action still on the table.
A. Press 2x, then collect
$12 6 or 8 (-$12)
1. PRESS $12 to $30 - Drop $4 (-$16)
2. PRESS $30 to $66 - Drop $1 (-$17)
3. COLLECT - (+$60)
4. PRESS $66 to $150 - Drop $7 (+$53)
5. PRESS $150 to $330 - Drop $5 (+$48)
6. COLLECT - (+$433)
7. PRESS $330 to $720 - Drop $5 (+$428)
8. PRESS $720 to $1560) - No change (+$428)
9. COLLECT - (+$1820) - ($2248)
...and you get the idea.
B. Collect 1x, then press
$12 6 or 8 (-$12)
1. COLLECT (+$2)
2. PRESS $12 to $24 (+$4)
3. COLLECT (+$32)
4. PRESS $24 to $48 (+$36)
5. COLLECT (+$92)
6. PRESS $48 to $90 (+$106)
7. COLLECT (+$211)
8. PRESS $90 to $180 - (+$226)
9. COLLECT (+$436)
10. PRESS $180 to $360 (+$466)
11. COLLECT (+886)
...and you get the idea.
Now for me, if a table is cold and no one's hitting anything very often, I give in and bet a negative progression style. I know it's betting scared.. but if it's not working, it's not working.
$12 6 or 8 (-$12)
1. PRESS $12 to $24 - (-$10)
2. PRESS $24 to $30 - (+$12)
3. $30 to $12 - (+$65)
4. PRESS $12 to $24 - (+$67)
5. PRESS $24 to $30 - (+$89)
6. $30 to $12 - (+$142)
Now obviously if you took the time to actually read all of that, I vary the increments of the press (sometimes it's full press, sometimes it's 2 units, sometimes it's 1 unit, sometimes it's a random amount of units)... so I'm a little inconsistent.
CrapsGenious
Bet 6 or 8 for $30 the ask the dealer to double it (Not Parley) after 6 times you will have $1215 in your rack and 990 on the 6 or 8.
You can also just take it down after 5 and cashout the $1085 :)
I'm sure the odds of rolling 5 x 6/8 is pretty good for turning your $30 into over 1k.
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hwccdealer
I get a lot of players who will either take $12 to $24 the first time or take $18 to $30 in the same situation. In my experience, it's a great way to make a lot of money and it's a great way to get killed.
A usual strategy I see for a $10 table is this:
-Place 6/8 for $12
-Full press to $24 the first time it hits (-10)
-Press to $30 the next time (+20)
-Collect 1-2 times (+90, let's say)
-Press to $42 (+113)
-Collect 1-2 times (+211 if twice)
-Press to $60 (+242)
-Collect 1-2 times (+382)
-Press to $90 (+427)
Etc, etc. Naturally, this would need to be on a blazing-hot roll, one I would see maybe once a shift on average, since, as I said, it's a great way to get killed if the dice are cold or even average.
tilt247

Bet 6 or 8 for $30 the ask the dealer to double it (Not Parley) after 6 times you will have $1215 in your rack and 990 on the 6 or 8.
You can also just take it down after 5 and cashout the $1085 :)
I'm sure the odds of rolling 5 x 6/8 is pretty good for turning your $30 into over 1k.


There are still more ways to roll a 7 than any other number.... Each roll is independent of the other. If you get lucky, then it's just that, you hit this 'streak' by luck.
Wait, it's a long term advantage?
tilt247
Naturally, this would need to be on a blazing-hot roll, one I would see maybe once a shift on average, since, as I said, it's a great way to get killed if the dice are cold or even average.
Dice don't get hot or cold my friend. Luck is luck and math is math.
bushman
Me, at a $5 table, and if I am playing $5 PL and 3/4/5 odds. I will place the 6 and 8 for $12 each. Here is how I try to work it:
1st hit = same bet
2nd hit = same bet
3rd hit = press to $18
4th hit = press to $24
5th hit = press to $30
6th hit = same bet
7th hit = full press to $60
probably press by one unit (in my case $6) on subsequent hits. I have yet to get to hitting that same bet at the 6th level, but, one day (wishful thinking.) I know mine is a bit more conservative, but I like getting those bets (both of them) paid for before going up levels. If my six hits twice before an eight hits, they have both been paid for, should a 7-out come. I know, they're individual bets, but it works for my mind set.
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hwccdealer

Dice don't get hot or cold my friend. Luck is luck and math is math.


TripleI know the math. I also know from dealing that seeing a really favorable stretch over the course of an eight-hour shift is inevitable.
According to the Wizard, the average person rolls 8.5 times before sevening out. If a shift lasts 480 minutes (and I get people who will be on my table from start to finish,) and we go a little faster than one roll per minute, we get 60 shooters, on average, per 8-hour shift.
According to the Wizard's page on the probability of survival, that special one-in-60 roll value is worth about 29 rolls before hitting the seven out on roll 30. Averaging 1.5 comeout rolls and 9 rolls to hit the point, we figure that our hero hits 2 points and sevens out on the attempt to hit the third point.
Let's assume that the player places a $12 eight as his only place bet and moves it to a six if the point becomes eight. Assuming no seven outs until roll 30, the place bet is off if there's no point, and that four throws are on the comeout, and there are two front line winners and one seven out, we have 22 rolls in which to increase or decrease this place bet.
The eight has a probability of 5/36 of hitting. (Yes, it goes to 5/30 if we know there's no sevens, but our player does not know this, of course.) So over 36 throws, it hits five times, so we're likely to see it hit three times in this streak.
Of course, if a player knows it's going to hit exactly three times before the seven out, he will wisely bet table max and then take it down after three rolls, collecting $8,400 at my table where table max is $2,000 but goes to $2,400 on six and eight. But let's say he's starting at table minimum of $12.
The strategy I referred to above - full press the first time, take it to $30, and wait it out a couple of rolls, would earn $47 before the seven out - player is in for $12 at first, full-presses to $24 to be down $10, then goes to $30 and pockets $22 to be up $12. The third hit would earn the other $35, assuming no pressure.
By contrast, hitting three times for $14 apiece earns $42, minus the initial investment, equals $30.
So by playing aggressively, a player earns more on the once-a-shift roll, but if it hits only twice? The conservative player earns $4 more than the aggressive player. So playing aggressively counts on that once-a-shift roll, which is a mathematical inevitability, one we would refer to as a hot roll in the colloquial, but for the other 59 rolls? Better to take it easy.
RaleighCraps

I know the math. I also know from dealing that seeing a really favorable stretch over the course of an eight-hour shift is inevitable.


Craps Triple LuxI'm curious as to what type of favorable stretch do you see?
Is it choppy table, and all of a sudden one shooter has a monster roll, or is it more often, a stretch where multiple shooters are managing to make 1 or 2 points, and very few shooters are PSO?
Second question. When you do see the shooter with the monster roll, what are the next shooters like? It has been my experience most often that the next shooters don't make their points, and the table goes 'cold' again.
The one exception to that was the time I had my 70 minute roll. It came immediately after my buddy's 30 minute roll.
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CrapsGenious

There are still more ways to roll a 7 than any other number.... Each roll is independent of the other. If you get lucky, then it's just that, you hit this 'streak' by luck.


That's all it is, just luck and a little better than luck with skilled shooters. Sometime its best to 'wait' a few rolls before placing the 6/8 because if you get a shooter that rolls outside numbers, it's pointless to chase a sleeper.
i'll never forget that day Rocko (a regular shooter at the casino rolled 3 hard 4's back to back and in his 15+ rolls before 7 had rolled 8 4's. Crazy thing is, it happens all the time. There was another time when another shooter setting dice at right side of stick man rolled 12x 10's in all of 15 numbers rolled many of the 10 came hard. Everyone at the table loaded up on hard 10 and place 10.
Some things that happen at the craps table is just so hard to post because it gets to the point that it becomes unbelievable like another regular rolling 4 11's in a row followed by 2x 3crap, only a couple players noticed to start pressing their horn bets to cash in.

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Luck plays a big part in craps. Don't ever forget that part.
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100xOdds
powerpress the 1st hit, then 50% press on all subsequent hits:
$12, 24,36,54, etc
I prefer to take 50% profits as it hits instead alternating between powerpress and taking all profits.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)

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What About Crapless Craps? Is It Playable?

It seems to be a law of the gambling universe. If a casino promotes a game as better than the standard game, it is always worse – for the player, not the casino.

In craps a few casinos are offering 'Crapless Craps' or 'Never Ever Craps.' The casinos proclaim, 'Never lose your pass line bet due to a craps number being thrown.' I don’t know about you, but I just hate it when my pass line bet is scooped up because a 2, 3, or 12 shows on a come-out roll. So this is a good thing, right?

The answer, as expected, is no. Instead of losing your pass line bet when a craps number is thrown, it becomes a point number. However the 11 – normally a pass line win on come-out – also becomes a point in crapless craps. The probability of making a point of 2 or 12 is 1 in 7. The probability of making a 3 or 11 is 1 in 4. Because you still only get even money for your pass line bet, the house edge for a pass line bet in crapless craps is 5.38 percent. The house edge for a pass line bet in the standard game is 1.41 percent. Now you know why casinos push crapless craps.

Golden Touch™ teaches that you should only play the games where you have an advantage. Whether or not you have an advantage in craps is determined by your skill in controlling the dice. The amount you can expect to earn because of your advantage not only depends on your skill, but also the bets you make at the craps table. For example, if you have diligently practiced over several months and your documentation shows you have avoided enough 7’s to garner a 5 percent edge, you will have nearly a 3.6 percent edge on a pass line bet in a standard craps game (5% minus 1.4%). In crapless craps, however, the house still has an edge of 0.38% (5% minus 5.38%).

Compared to the difference in pass line bets, the additional place bets on a crapless craps layout are even more heavily tilted to the house. Placing the 3 or 11 carries a house edge between 6.25 percent and 10 percent depending on the casino. The 2 or 12 place bets make between 7.14 percent and a whopping 14.29 percent for the house.

Based on this information, common sense dictates you should play the standard game. But what if the regular tables are full or your spots are taken? What if crapless craps is the only game open?

The GTC preferred betting method for random rollers is a pass line and one or two come bets with odds after the 5-count. If you are a controlled shooter you want to minimize what you bet on random shooters and bet considerably more on your own rolls. With this in mind, a pass or come bet with double odds in standard craps has a 0.61 percent house edge. The same bet with double odds in crapless craps has a 2.02 percent edge making in a much less desirable bet. It makes placing the 6 and/or 8 a less costly option as that bet carries a house edge of only 1.52 percent, and has a hit frequency second only to the 7.

Okay, for random rollers in a crapless craps game it is better to place a 6 and/or 8 instead of making pass line and come bets. What about betting on your own rolls?

If you are a controlled thrower (and you are throwing well), the GTC preferred method is to make place bets. The 6 and 8 are preferred for their low house edge (1.52%). Since you are betting more on your own throws, buying the 4 and/or 10 (with the vig paid only on a win) is also a reasonable bet at about a 1.67% house edge. This edge can be lowered if you can 'push' the vig from $1 on a $20 bet (1.67%) to $1 on a $25 bet (1.33%) to $1 on a $30 bet (1.11%) possible even to $1 on a $35 bet (0.95%).

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But what about those extra place bets available in a crapless craps game? What about betting on the 2/12 or the 3/11?

As you might expect, the house edge on a place bet for these numbers is abysmal. The true odds against making a 3 or 11 are 3-to1. For making a 2 or 12 they are 6-to-1. The games I looked at in Las Vegas and Tunica paid 13-to-5 on the 3/11. This translates to a hefty 10.00% house edge. In Las Vegas placing the 2/12 pays 5-to-1 amounting to a 14.29% windfall for the casino. In Tunica it was a little better, paying 27-to-5 amounting to 'only' an 8.57% casino advantage. By contrast, placing the 4/10 – with true odds of 2-to-1 – gets paid at 9-to-5 for a house edge of 6.67%.

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The message is clear and simple; avoid place bets on the outside numbers, especially the very outside numbers. However, buying these numbers can minimize the tax on your wins by the casino.

Tunica allows buying the 3/11 for $10 with a $1 vig. This amounts to a 2.5% house edge. However if you buy the 3/11 for $25 as is allowed in Las Vegas as well as Tunica, the house edge plummets to 1.00%. If this isn’t enough to get excited about, consider buying the 2/12. In Tunica buying the 2/12 for $10 with a $1 commission puts the house edge at a decent 1.43% - just about the same as a pass line bet. But, if you buy it for $25, you still only pay a $1 vig on a win and the house edge is now a mere 0.57% - almost the same as a blackjack game that has decent rules.

Now that is something to get excited about. A controlled thrower does not need very much control to overcome about a half percent house edge. On top of that, hitting the 2 or 12 with a $25 buy bet pays $149. Heck, that is almost as much fun as hitting a Hardway bet. It makes it very tempting to change your set to make hitting these far outside numbers a bit more likely.

So, the next time the only open table is a crapless game, you don’t need to walk past it, you just need to be selective with the numbers you bet on and the type of bets you make. As an added bonus, hitting the extreme outside numbers can quickly increase your bankroll with very little taken by the house as a vig.

And remember, He who dies with the most toys … is nonetheless dead.

Happy (crapless) rolling,

Stickman